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The Masonic Order is an organization that pursues similar goals of a Church. Fellowship Service and the extraction of money from its members. It is in conflict with the Great Commission. It speaks to a generic God, not the God. It doe not glorify the Eternal risen Jesus Christ. How can pastor belong to a group that has a religious worship purpose in a Generic God? How can a pastor take his money, membership dues to a group and aid in its raising of monies for purposes other than for saving souls. So than don't belong to other groups? If Christian CHurch cannot consume your energies, you need be in Bible Study NOW!

I have been a Christian for 31 years and a Mason for 26. Never have I seen or been asked to do anything that contradicts the Bible. We use the Holy Bible in our ceremonies and open and close each meeting with a prayer.

The Bible clearly states we are not to be part of a secret organization. Masons are a secret organization. Also I attended a Masonic Funeral for my wife's Uncle, and the thee guys standing up front doing their part asked that whoever this mans god was let him be blessed or words to that affect. So I realized they do not believe in One God our Lord and Savior but accept any god the member receives.

Yes, this is a very hard issue. I guess it depends on how deep your walk is with the Lord, on how you would view this very issue or how deep you would be involved with the mason community.

There are so many different levels of secrecey within the masons, there are many levels of knowledge and leadership with the masons that many are unaware of.


Would you like to know that the "God" you chose was the real thing?, or are you going to choose the the "god" that believes all "gods" are the same, or it doesn't matter what "god" in the generic term that you believe in, then there is lack of truth.

I think that if we live a life with the Lord that is shallow, you can leave an open door to thing that could ultimatly be detrimental to your life in the future.

With God there is nothing secret, and as you gain understanding you gain knowledge.

If you are at a place in your life where you are not sure where you stand, for "God", or the Generic "god" that has no sense of truth or meaning, and you think it is all good, then you do not have the full understanding of what it means to have a God in your life that is relational, because with out realtionship with Him we will lack the joy of knowing His heart.

I was told that many people joined those types of groups that wanted to be more involved in their communities, that is how they saw it until they went deeper that they found there was a whole other meaning behind the group.

Just because we are Christians doesn't mean that we have full understanding of what is it to be a Christian, we can still be shallow in our beliefs. I am not saying that you are, I am just saying that you really need to be careful.

You may use the Bible as a reference or in your meetings, so to the Mormans are they are believed to be a cult. It doesn't mean anything unless you believe in your heart that the "Word of God" is all "Truth", and that we serve the living "God".

Just be aware of your surroundings and get some books from the Christian books store that will give you a little more insite on the Masons, etc.

Maybe gather information from people that have been highly placed in those places, that have come out with a new understanding of those places where about.

This is a really good topic, because many Christians have been lead to believe that it is OK as a community group, they do good things.

Good things are just not enough. It is our belief in Jesus Christ and what He has done for us that truly matters.

Most that are in the masons do not realize that there are two different groups within their groups.
Every level of the masons has a group that knows their secrets and then those who do not.
Let's listen to one of their writers in history.
Albert Pike was the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry from 1859 to his death in 1891. He wrote a book entitled "Morals and Dogma" published in 1871 by the Supreme Council of the thirty-third degree for the southern jurisdiction of the United States.

This book was at one time traditionally given to the candidate of the 14th degree of free masonry.
In this book you will find out what the masons truly worship and who they believe to be God.
Albert Pike wrote about Lucifer
saying, "For the Initiates{those initiated into the true secrets of masonry}this is not a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil.

In a letter he wrote on July 14,1889 to the 23 Supreme Councils of the world he said, "That which we must say to the crowd is, {the crowd was all the non-masons},we worship a God , but it is the God that one adores without superstition."

If you ask a mason is their God Lucifer those within each level of initiation who know the truths will deny it. But Albert Pike said in this same letter ,"You may repeat it to the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees--The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the highest degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine."
He says,"If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay[ the God of the Christians and the Jews} and his priest calumniate[ defined as spreading false and harmful statements about or to slander] him?"
Mr Pike said, "the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay"
Here you go. This proves that they believe not in a fallen angel named Satan but in a being named Lucifer who did not fall. Mr. Pike said,"Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay{Adonai as spelled in Hebrew} the God of Darkness and Evil.

Manly p. Hall wrote abook called "The Lost Keys of Free Masonry" he said ,"When the mason learns the key to the warrior on the blockis the proper application of the dynamo of the living powerhe has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.

Now I could continue to prove thru the writings of the Masons on Grand Commanders that they worship Lucifer and that their three secrets known only by the initiates who know the truth are: they are against law, people owning property, and religion.
most of yuor presidents have been masons and one even took the initiation all the way up to the 33rd right in the white house. The presidential seal was designed by a Mason. Look at the seal on the back of a dollar. The eagle represents the sun god ra which ties in with Lucifer and their are 32 feathers up one side which is the highest rank of the scottish rite of free masons and 33 feathers up the other, which is the highest rank in the masons. Once an individual moves to the 3rd degree he is told that he has to obey the Sovereign Commander in all things. Again most Presidents have been Masons. The 13 arrows, in the eagles paw and the 13 olive leafs are representitive of their lucky number and that is why they waited till teir were 13 colonies before trying to gain independence.

This fellow that has been a Christian longer than a Mason will never know their secrets because he was a Christian first. I can prove this if I had time. This movement ties in with the movement started by Adam Weishaupt called the Illuminati started in 1776.
They chose Lucifer as their representitive.
If you want to know more I will be glad to publish this information to my web page at http://www.freewebs.com/todaysprophecy/ or e-mail me at harvellJr@aol.com

My brethren, you are opening up Pandora's Jar!

Most Christians in America (in addition to being church members) belong to groups, secret organizations and associations whose mission and goals are at odds with scripture as we understand it. If we follow scripture, "we are to come out from among them and be seperate..."

The Apostle Paul, presumably withdrew his membership from his associations, he the "pharisee of pharisees", et al. I have been wondering lately how Christians can be members of and continue to support the two major politcal parties in the USA, i.e., the Republican and Democratic parties. I suspect that we need to create a new Christian Party (well that is if we could ever agree ourselves on what God requires of us) if we are to continue exercising our franchise!

Consider this, during the previous two general elections the Republican party touted itself as the party of propriety, priniciples and of God. The President, despite his constant use of vulgar expletives, describted himself as a born again christian. Ari Fleischer when questioned during a press conference about the President's decision to attack Iraq, was asked whether the President sought God about his decision. Ari replied that the President was a religous man who read his Bible and prayed. However, he said, with respect to the President's decision to attack Iraq, he relied on the counsel that he received from his cabinet members. Ooopss!!

I have heard many individuals on this blog attack homosexuals, yet the Vice President, a man a heartbeat away from the Presidency, supported the same, and many Christians voted to support a ticket with him on it. What an intertesting paradox? We do not require adherence to the word from parties that we participate in and support (the ones that we have a vested interest in), yet we would expect our members to withdraw from professional and other organizations whose missions (at times) appear to conflict with scripture. Are we being hypocritical?

Now the Deomacratic party does not attempt or pretend to align itself or its planks with God's plan, and many christians are a part of the Democratic party and vote Deomcratic.

So why do Christians align themselves and support politicians and political parties whose positions diverge from scripture?

One of the greatest travesties in this country was during the 20th century, wherein christians were proud to be members of separtist and hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan (many of whom were elected to the highest offices in this land with christian support). None of these individuals apparently saw any conflict between their separtist and religous views. Ooops again!

I suspect that we all need to do some introspection, for it not just Masons who are members of organizations that are at times not fully lined-up with scripture. Which organizations do we participate in, supportand hold offices in that do not fully line up with scripture?

Or, given the number of our ministers, ministries and religous organization that are in bed with politicians (who do not seek the things of the Lord), then are we not the church that has truly settled into the world?

Peace & grace,

I ran across your post and had to offer my ¢.02. Freemasonry is not incompatible to Christianity, or any religion for that matter. The only qualification for membership is that the joiner have "faith" in their God. The term "their God" is used because it is open membership to men of all faiths, the Christian, the Muslim, the Jew, and so on. By allowing men of all faiths, it promotes an open communication between them for works in their community.

Another poster said that Freemasonry is a "secret society". This is patently false. Freemasonry is an open society with secrets. It's membership roles are not hidden, it's places of meeting and times are not hidden, and it's workings are not hidden. Search the net and you will find many sources of the ritual work.

The compatibility of freemasonry comes in that it is a highly moral society with strong democratic systems. Investigate it before you denounce it.

And to the gentleman who insisted it is part of the illuminati, please, check your facts. The illuminati was an offshoot of socialists who tried, and failed, to infiltrate the early Masonic lodges. If you are curious and want to know more please have a look at this site:
www.freemasoninformation.com

I find it interesting that anonymous#1 seems more interested in the "extraction of money" than
G-O-D.

I come from a family of Masons and Eastern Stars. I was a Job's Daughter. There is nothing I have seen in the way we live our lives that would in any way detract from the teachings of Jesus Christ or the Bible.


Just sayin'
Dinah

My grandfather was a Mason and a pastor. I am a pastor but not a mason. I have done extensive research about masons myself, and have no plans to join. My grandfather was a christian before he was a mason and I am sure he didn't know all about them. The fact that there is always controversary surrounding the "Craft" is awkward. Why do growth men have some strange desire to be part of a "skull and bones" club. I see blogs about rituals, why do mature True Worshippers of Jesus Christ need ceremonies and rituals in a pagan and Moslum founded ancient organization. It is not what Christians in Masonic Orders know that can corrupt there faith and doctrine, it is what they don't know... The more they are willing to not know the "Truth of God's Word" the more of the "light" of masonary they'll be willing to embrace.

Skeptic or not you should read..

Free from Freemasonry: Understanding Freemasonry & Its Affects on Those We Love - by Ron G. Campbell

hmmm...I'm confused. I am a Master Mason and virtually every single other Master Mason I know (and I know a lot) are devout Christians.

Seems we have a 'failure to communicate' here...

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In memory of Coretta Scott King:

This past Sunday I visited with the Martin Luther King Jr. Christian Church of Reston Virginia. I was impressed by what I read in their Church Covenant. It read as follows:

"With this view, we engage to strive for the advancement of the church in knowledge and holiness; to give it a place in our affections, prayers and services above every organization of human origin...".

As I read their Covenant I thought about the topic of discussion in last week's blog, i.e., Masonic Lodge vs Christian Faith. I won't pass judgment on the Masons because I don't know; I have heard pro's and con's about the Masonic organization all of my life.

Instead, I suspect and suggest that each of us needs to consider the organizations and assocations that we have been a part of, or those that we currently support (directly or indirectly) or sympathize with. The word teaches us that we are not to be, "unequally yoked with nonbelievers".

I know that I said this before; however, I felt it even stronger after reading this Covenant, which to me pertains to the corporate church, not just the MLK parish that I visited. Many of us, some ignorantly and some knowing quite well that the missions of some of our affinity associations and organizations, are out of compliance with the word of God. Some organizations are the very antithesis of the word of God. And we, "cannot serve two masters"!

Sadly, many Christians and Christian leaders are not only rank and file members of quesitonable organizations, many are Founders, Executives and members of the Boards of some questionable organizations that have questionable practices. I suggest that we should all consider withdrawing and divesting from all organizations that are inconsistent with the word of the Lord, [if they are unwilling to amend their practices] in spite of the organization's earthy benefits to us, our family or our peers - even fraternal organizations. One can actually support a questionable organization by purchasing its products, periodicals or services.

I listened to Paul Begala and James Carville, two noted deomacratic strategists and guests on the Tim Russert show this past Saturday evening. Mr. Carville said something remarkable and honest, I thought. He said that if you consider the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus and the United States Government, our government is far removed from what scripture and Jesus taught. He went on to comment on christians who say one thing yet vote for another.

He also confessed that, Jesus, "...was too liberal", for him. And he quickly added that he was not saying that in a pejorative sense. Are we guilty of worshipping Jesus only with our mouths, however, we are truly far away from him in our practices?

I remember a group of men in scripture, many of them were members of professions. Jesus, called them away from their professions (and we can assume their respective professional associations or organizations). They were to follow Jesus instead. Some of us are being asked to do the same.

I wonder, how long will God wink at our ignorance? This is truly a moving topic.

Rev. C. Solomon

Peace & Grace!

One of the commenters above gives a quotation from Albert Pike -- the only problem is, Pike never said that. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax for details.

I am a master mason and past master of a local lodge. The Masonic order is not nor does it profess to be a religion. It does require a belief God. It does not try to determine what God you belive in nor does the Masons try to convince you to change any beliefs you have. We do pray, The HOLY BIBLE is open on the Alter at all meetings, and all meetings open and close with prayer.It is a fraternity of like minded men whose goal is to improve theirselves and their community in all ways which is pleasing to God.

I will address this issue in love. First and most important to know is that GOD The Almighty, GOD of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. The Almighty GOD of Israel is a jealous God. Example: in I Samuel 5:2-12. "When the Philistines took the ark of God, they brought it into the house of Dagon, and and set it by Dagon. v.3 And when they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the earth before the ark of the Lord. And they took Dagon and set him in his place again. v.4 And when they arose early in the morning, behold Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the Lord; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; and only the stump of Dagon was left of him. v.6 But the hand of the Lord was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and He destroyed them and smote them with emerods (hemmroids), even Ashdod and the coast thereof. v.9 And it was so, that after they had carried it about, the hand of the Lord was against the city with a very great destruction: and He smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their secret parts. v.12 And the men that died not were smitten with the emerods: and the cry of the city went up to heaven."
For them to cry so loud, I think it must have hurt!!!OUCH. Thank GOD for Jesus its because of His Blood that God has mercy on us today.
Next scripture; I Kings 18:17-40. v.19 Elijah is talking,"Now therefore send and gather to me all Israel to Mt.Carmel, and the prophets of Baal, 450 and the prophets of the groves 400, which eat at Jezebels table. v.20 So Ahab sent unto all the children of Israel, and gathered all the prophets unto Mt.Carmel. v.21 And Elijah came unto all the people and said, How long hath thee 2 opinions? If the Lord be God follow Him: but if Baal follow him. And the people answered him not a word."
In some translations these worshippers of Baal were known as worshippers of the Great Creator/Architect; the same as mentioned in Masonary practice and in association with the Heavenly Lodge. This surprised me when I found out.
To sum it up, Elijah and the false prophets of Baal had a showdown of fire to be sent from above. After the god Baal had a "no show", the Almighty GOD showed up with guns blazing and consumed the offering. Sadly enough afterwards, all 850 Baal worshippers were then slain by Elijah as instructed by GOD.(I guess this brings a new meaning to a few of those phrases used in poker.(
Lastly these scriptures pertains to heathen practices. Deuteronomy 18:9-13, "When thou art come unto the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. v.10 There shalt not be found amoung you anyone that maketh his son or his daughter to pass thru the fire (rituals), or that useth divination, or an observer of times (fortune tellers), or an enchanter or a witch, v.11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits (psycic/channel), or a wizard or a necromancer. v.12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. v.13 Thou shalt be perfect (or blameless of sin)with the Lord thy God."
Jesus is the only risen Savior, and it is because of Him that we are saved! Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and you shall be saved.
Now think on this. Since confessing with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord brings you to salvation; what will happen to you if you confess in a RITUAL that something else is lord? Ancestrial curses could have ground in your life, or generational curses are now invited in your life to disrupt everything. Please don't do anything which will cause some evil entity to meet you at the point of death. What have you done????? In innocence and ignorance your only ETERNAL SOUL can be lost forever in hell.
Please for the love of GOD, renounce those vows, and oaths, that you have sworn secretly by your mouth; and then come to your only SAVIOR. Confess by your mouth that Jesus is your Lord, you will be SAVED, DELIVERED and set FREE.

I have to say, i don't know much about the masonic lodge but i don't hear good things about it. for starters, I lived most of my life in Haiti where people practice different beliefs. As we all know, haiti is also known for practicing vodooism. I personally never attended one, but the stories are enough to make a grown person scared. the similarities between vodooism and masonic lodge is that they both respect God. as a matter of fact, when a vodoo priest go and try to perform it's "miracle" they do whatever you usually see on t.v ( Jumping around crazy) and they also ask God permission to do whatever they are trying to do. I was suprised when I first heard that. I thought they summoned other things in which they do. another thing that i have to point out to Garrett who pointed out that Albert Pike was a hoax. I went in and checked to my suprise they said that it was making a mochery of not only freemasonry but also roman catholic. Something else you need to know about vodooism. it's real easy to tell when a person is doing such practice in haiti. all you have to look for are some roman catholic item such as, virgin Mary statue or picture, and everything with the word "saints" before the actual name. the only different is how they practice or evoke their spirits or whatever it's . my point is that you can't follow a crowd just because they evoke the name of God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and that goes for everyone here. Personally I grew in a baptist church. I truly believe that If you have faith and "fear of God", that will be enough to be saved because with faith and fear of the lord, you are trying to please him,trying to be on his good side. I know everyone here knows that sorcery, magic, psychic and other medium are forbidden. Remember Saul, the man who try to kill king David? So to say that, "We use the Holy Bible in our ceremonies and open and close each meeting with a prayer." is nothing really. One thing I can see is that there seem to be a pattern between the mason here and in Haiti. They both uses the Bible and they both do thing in secrecy. By the way, i thought the freemason was a job or something. i did not think that it had to do with what i thought. It was until i was watching the history channel and they were saying that the 1st president was part of a mason club, and they were very secretive ( at that time, i don't know now). anybody who practice mason, Light does not carry secrecy only darkness does. you can hide in darkness but you cannot hide in the light. God is all about light... all is revealed to him. I am tired but i would like to get a response from anybody.

God bless you all and may you go in peace.

To the fella that is the Chief Mason......the good news is that the Masons are deed oriented but the equation of James (faith without works is dead) is that there is NO defined 'faith' at the Mason's place! It is a 'universalist' gathering of men thereby creating a new mode and yes, a new 'denomination' or 'religion'...it is self defined by the Masons! Masons' can't serve all Gods as it is impossible as each 'god/religion' prohibits it...reading from the bible eliminates the Koran folks and the Jehovah Witnesses and the Catholics have their own bible too! Which ONE God do you pray to? The irony is that the Masons cannot be a 'universalist' one size fits all as it is impossible.
Good folks though! Just theologically not sound. Any responses send to glenmauro@msn.com..I don't check this too often and I'd like to hear your responses. Rev. Glen Mauro

The Bible clearly states that a believer of God should not partner in with a pagan. You should not eat,drink, enjoy the company of a non-believer. It is posted in the New Testament. Therefore, the act of coming together in the brotherhood of freemasons or a union of a Christian Nation with a pagan nation, is not a formula for long term success. The Christian should stand alone, at the cost of his life, if need be, instead of being a friend to a pagan. Pagans are no good, and all Christians will avoid them if they are to enter Jesus's Holy Kingdom. Today, the world is moving towards a one for all government, one in which all nations can reside and be as one. This cannot happen according to scripture. By bringing in foreigners who are from a predominantely pagan nation, ie,India for example, we can only expect the worse for the United States. In Old Testament times, societies that let in pagans and their practices, died by sword. There can be no mixed group or country if it is to be a Christian society. Therefore, this alone disqualifies the masonic order as being a home for Christians. Their allowance of all gods and religions is against the scripture of the Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ. Their destiny is sealed in sheol.

i would never do anything that would contradict the bible.i have never done such things.
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